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My mother has decided to hate Christmas

2020.11.24 19:22 haiksbx My mother has decided to hate Christmas

For 17 years my family and I celebrated Christmas together. But when my aunt and uncle moved to a different country and my grandparents divorced, Christmas became nothing but stressful. I’ve tried to get everyone in Christmas spirits by buying gifts, suggesting to by new Christmas decor but my mother have decided to become the real life grinch.
Christmas for years was a holiday I looked for because I got to spend time with my family and eat amazing food. It was a holiday where everyone had to get a long and dress nice. I loved it.
Fast forward to last year and this year my mother has decided she just doesn’t want to celebrate Christmas anymore. I’ve multiple times tried to ask her why but she gets angry and aggressive. I get so mad at her as well for dismissing me when I talk about it where it’s to the point that I want to cry. Last year I decorated in my room because I was extremely happy and looking forward to Christmas. But being in my room alone decorating alone for the first time ever was so depressing and I actually started crying.
Almost 5 years ago she was dating this guy who decided to bring us into the jehovas witnesses knowing that we are catholic. My mom not being able to stand up for herself decided to just go with it. And I wouldn’t be upset about it if it wasn’t for the fact that I know how my mom is with religion. And I know that these people have done stuff for my mom and I know deep down that she just does it because she feels like she has to and she owes it to them. At some point my mom also refused to celebrate my sisters birthday because of her new beliefs. So my sister was forced to ask her grandmother for help to plan the birthday party.
Im not against religion at all but my mother seems so brainwashed and tbh I’ve only had bad experiences with the jehova witnesses so I’m not really thrilled about her being apart of it.
Today i asked her if she wanted to buy some new Christmas lights, to decorate the windows and she got so mad at me over the phone that I just hung up on her. When I got home from work she pretended that nothing happened. I don’t want to lose the little Christmas spirit I have left because I want to be able to celebrate Christmas with my future family (if I even have one) so I have decided to celebrate Christmas with my grandmother and just decorate my room. And also my sisters room if she wants to.
I’m not trying to force a holiday on anyone but it’s always been a tradition but then my mother just decides that she doesn’t believe it anymore. It’s just crazy to me.
Does anyone have anyone in their life that is like this?
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2020.11.24 19:06 haiksbx My mother hates Christmas now

For 17 years my family and I celebrated Christmas together. But when my aunt and uncle moved to a different country and my grandparents divorced, Christmas became nothing but stressful. I’ve tried to get everyone in Christmas spirits by buying gifts, suggesting to by new Christmas decor but my mother have decided to become the real life grinch.
Christmas for years was a holiday I looked for because I got to spend time with my family and eat amazing food. It was a holiday where everyone had to get a long and dress nice. I loved it.
Fast forward to last year and this year my mother has decided she just doesn’t want to celebrate Christmas anymore. I’ve multiple times tried to ask her why but she gets angry and aggressive. I get so mad at her as well for dismissing me when I talk about it where it’s to the point that I want to cry. Last year I decorated in my room because I was extremely happy and looking forward to Christmas. But being in my room alone decorating alone for the first time ever was so depressing and I actually started crying.
Almost 5 years ago she was dating this guy who decided to bring us into the jehovas witnesses knowing that we are catholic. My mom not being able to stand up for herself decided to just go with it. And I wouldn’t be upset about it if it wasn’t for the fact that I know how my mom is with religion. And I know that these people have done stuff for my mom and I know deep down that she just does it because she feels like she has to and she owes it to them. At some point my mom also refused to celebrate my sisters birthday because of her new beliefs. So my sister was forced to ask her grandmother for help to plan the birthday party.
Im not against religion at all but my mother seems so brainwashed and tbh I’ve only had bad experiences with the jehova witnesses so I’m not really thrilled about her being apart of it.
Today i asked her if she wanted to buy some new Christmas lights, to decorate the windows and she got so mad at me over the phone that I just hung up on her. When I got home from work she pretended that nothing happened. I don’t want to lose the little Christmas spirit I have left because I want to be able to celebrate Christmas with my future family (if I even have one) so I have decided to celebrate Christmas with my grandmother and just decorate my room. And also my sisters room if she wants to.
I’m not trying to force a holiday on anyone but it’s always been a tradition but then my mother just decides that she doesn’t believe it anymore. It’s just crazy to me.
Does anyone have anyone in their life that is like this?
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2020.11.22 21:38 Gator-thepimp Struggles and experience /big long rant. Just turned 20. Need to speak my mind/ talk. Even if no one reads. HUGE TALK I don’t even think this will fit(profanity, personal story telling)

Im apologizing in advance this might be hard to follow. it’s all over the place and bad grammar but idgaf right now. AND YES IT HAS TO DO WITH NO FAP. It’s an ugly history. No fap has helped me though I tell ya.. I don’t really have much to be proud of. You can tell by my tone even in these words I write on a screen that I am in post relapse depression. I’m unemployed sleeping on my big brothers couch. Homeless. Haven’t had consistent work at all in life. Tons of problems in my family, relationships, ‘friendships’, work life, school. I grew up using pmo, playing video games. Barely played sports. Got into smoking tons of dope. In Hs. Was always a loser in school. No life really. Started smoking cigarettes. Drinking booze. Rank liquor too. I used to think I was sick cause I’d smash bottles. I was a narcissist. I’d drink 30 beer and a 26 of hard no chase easy in a night. All the fuckin time. I’d try and drink as much as possible and get as much free shit as I could and this went on for years. I never had confidence with anything really. Girls? Hah what a joke. Me and my one buddy used to smoke shatter every morning before school. I started failing classes and I started out with straight A + or - proficiency/high honours. I used to love sports too. Not too say I used to be great and I fell. I’ve always been pretty fucked up. I was never good at sports or really into them. Never got much chance. Never lived a healthy lifestyle really. I isolated and moved around a lot and played with my legos hah. All the coolest most well off kids grew up playing hockey. I wish that was me. To this day I fuckin suck at hockey but I want to play so bad. They hunted too some of them. Fished. Had lots of friends and were passionate about life. Back to the boozin though. At one point I was ‘dating’ this nasty ass girl, I was 16 she was 18 I believe,and she was rank into shit too, I’d skip school and just get plastered with her. was fucked. Lots of drunken sex too 🤮Super unhealthy. We’d down 60oz bottle of vodka no chase and smoke bong hoots with tobacco (poppers). In an hour or two. Ya then one of my ‘best friends’ who is a sociopath, and who I stopped associating with, fucked her WHILE I was outside on the phone. We got into a fight and his parents held me down and he boot fucked my head, (yes his parents, who were well aware we would day drink and do drugs at his house all the time) I was bleeding everywhere, I got loose and hit him a few times I think.. his parents called cops on me, and he tried poking my eyes out (like game of thrones style shit) and kicking my knee where I had a torn acl, and spat in my face, and held a kitchen knife to my throat. Ya I considered him one of my bffs lmao. I wanted to end him after that. I stopped talking to him sort of, my step mom convinced me that revenge was pointless and would lead no where. I still don’t know about that to this day. I’d love to kick the fuck out of him lol. Later that year at a music fest he found me and fake cried and said sorry. Instead of telling him to get fucked like I should’ve, I said ok and got him to give me free beer and cigs for the next couple days. Then I got hammered, was macking with this girl I had a crush on for a bit at the time. stupid. Another alcoholic ass bitch. Anyways she was pretty drunk too so I ended up bringing her back to her truck and I hung around like a simp and ended up watching her make out with this other dude. (And no I didn’t slee with her I’ve never taken advantage of anyone I’d probably kms if I did)That made me feel awful lol. I was up all night after and that’s the first night I did coke. What a shit show. And with who? Buddy from before (knife to throat) that’s who. Same guy who I got into a lot of shit with. Fuck him. I’m responsible for it though. I’d never felt so awful in my life. I used coke quite a few times after that. Turned into a shittier person too that’s for-sure. Uglier. More disgusting. I remember showing up to school the next year a completely new person in the worst way. I felt fucked. All the time. Head on into another toxic relationship too. Super unhealthy and greasy. At one point after we hung out (me and knife throat guy) and I was with another alcoholic friend (the life of a 16 year old in Canadas far north up above 60•) and he got ripped off for blow by some crack heads with guns, I got real mad and we got ready to go jump these guys but ‘pussied out’ thank fuck. The next day I hung out with some other older coke heads on my 17th bday and got higher thsn ever before. We planned on jumping these guys from before, but I was driving my truck on the way to the sketchy apartment where they were and I was going too fast (mid November -30 Celsius, roads were like a skating rink) down a super steep dirt road hill with a 90 degree bend and I flipped my truck off this small cliff and almost killed myself. Thank god for that. I had logs in the back and a tool box and that shit went everywhere.i delivered pizzas at the time and didn’t spill a slice somehow (this was after work btw) I wasn’t hurt tho and we didn’t end up trying to jump those guys. (Although to the day the guys giving me coke still owe me money I lent them. Yes I am that dumb to lend these types money) god. I lost a job actually at that point cause I was supposed to work that day. My brain was pretty bugged out. I had shit going on at home. Constant. Abuse. Fighting every day. Me and my dad were fighting and he’d kick me out once and a while . It got a little violent st some points. Lots of it was emotional and psychological though. Being treated awful. Extreme anger. Always being stepped on and talked down to.To this day I’m confident he has a coke problem. And drinking problem. And he’s a narcissist. He pushed me off my crutches a few times while I had a broken knee. Once in front of my gf. But I love him and it tears me apart. I felt bad for my little sister. Although he favoured her at times, she got abused to. He took lots of shit out on us. He was always stressed out and had big problems. Also was a huge hypocrite and rarely took ownership. o. She lives (sister)with her mom now.. who’s also crazy and what not but.. I hope she’s ok. We don’t talk much. Later that year I did acid.. first time wasn’t too crazy. I got real horny and hooked up with this girl I had been sleeping with on and off for the past 6 months. (She came from a jehova family and when her dad found out I took her virginity he called her a whore and kicked her out for the rest of the year until hs was over) I did acid again though after.. thinking I could handle it no problem.. and this time I was with some girls and this guy (eyepoke sociopath)I’lI tell you right now I fucking messed myself up that day. I haven’t been the same since. I like listening to Joe Rogan and all but please be fucking careful with psychedelics.. they can be scary and ruin your life man it’s no joke. I want to cry when I think about it. My brain isn’t right. It’s been almost 3 years since.god. What else. I did Codien. Xanax. Speed. Molly. Add drugs... I lost my licence drinking and driving right after graduation. Had a girlfriend who I made feel like shit I’m guessing. (me and girl from beginning of year were toxic, broke up, a couple months after I started sleeping with 22 yr old. Big confidence boost as she was v attractive and had a kid.. but things didn’t work out. I wasn’t man enough and I didn’t even tell her how I felt about her {super into her} we had good sex a decent amount of times but I just got needy and we cut off eventually.) I met a new girl right after and We had a lot of sex.. was a decent relationship.. I’m honestly thankful for her and I hope she’s doing good. But I Got kicked out. And left the territory to go to my moms and she broke up with me. Was supposed to take a job on a diamond drill.. probably would’ve learned a thing or two about being a man but I got kicked out and couldn’t take it. Dad bought me a ticket with no return. Said he was selling his house. I wish I just stayed at a friends and took the fuckin job. I spent that summer doing drugs and had no work. Back in a shit hold small farm town down south. Eventually I caught a ride back. Back up north. With a friend.. same alcoholic friend who got ripped off by the crack heads. I visited this guy across the country.. we drank a bunch.. at once point I tried hooking up with this girl he was seeing. I fucking hate myself for it. We never did but we were attracted to eachother and it was disguisting. That’s the thing about pmo. These are the situations I’d get myself into. Cause I wasn’t man enough to have confidence with a girl of my own. I was a snake instead. I got drunk and called my ex and cried to her saying I wanted her back and loved her. She said she loved me and ok but said we’d have an open relationship. I said ok and didn’t do anything with anyone really. Came back and heard from other people all about the people she’d slept with. Snakes. Same snakes who fucked another one of my ex’s and hit on younger girls all the time. Coke heads too. If you haven’t figured it out. I’m a overly agreeable simp. Anyways I only did blow one or two more times after that(2years been clean) but I smoked a lot of weed. Got a job and lived with my friend doing construction on his house for a few months. Same guy who I used to smoke shatter with before school every morning. Me and this guy would cut down trees with chainsaws and sell fire wood, and do carpentry high as fuck. To the day he still smokes a lot and I don’t talk to him much :/ I was very sexually fucked up still too. Slept with a couple girls while living there. Pmo constantly. Drank a bit still but cut back. Was trying to get my licence back. Didn’t talk to parents much let alone sister. Basically had ped. I tried sleeping with this girl I had feelings for a couple times and could not get it up.. I was also living in the bush I’ll mention with no running water or vehicle to get to town (20km away) I eventually got laid off.. once it started getting cold. (Ya-40 with shitty insulation and a wood stove hah) mice started getting in too and shit everywhere. Eventually my friends dog died because of this. It was gross. We did a shit job cleaning cause we were always high and didn’t care. I had broke up with my ex when I found out she slept around but we hooked up a few times.. I’d get really upset though and tell her off.. it wasn’t working to say the least. But I tried doing some carpentry with her step dad and I don’t think he liked me. Plus I was too brain fried to be a good worker. I got really depressed. I’ve always been depressed but it was getting worse. I started thinking about shooting myself and how I could get a gun and what not. Me and my now roommate were fighting cause I was pissed him and his gf wouldn’t clean up and he was mad that I was ungrateful and not even working so I should clean and pay my rent already. My dad came back (he had been down south for the summer. His cancer got pretty bad and he lost his leg actually.) he looked pretty bad. But I got to spend Christmas with him and I ended up applying to go to school to be a welder. I found a place in town.. with another pot head friend and started shoveling snow in the am before school and working McDonald’s after. I started working out here and there.. stopped blazing as much but still fairly often.. drinking once and a while.. frequent pmo still. I’m talking in the bathroom at school sometimes. Multiple times a day(as it had been since 11 years old) still playing video games quite often. No plans for the future really. I missed class lots.. sleeping in. I had a good teacher though.. he was disappointed but we had a good relationship and I did ok ish and passed.. I was still depressed. Dad left down to Mexico. Lived there for half a year, whole year almost. Him and my step mom had a toxic relationship always on off and associated with drug use. I didn’t get into any relationships but I was lonely af no friends really. I slept with maybe 6 girls while I lived at this place.. had girls over here and there. Frequent pmo. Nothing lasted. Meaningless. Unhealthy. I did some landscaping and security for a bit while I tried to find a job welding. I really wanted to go to a mine or something and make money. Or go pipelining. Start turning my life around. I started to do a bit of mma when I had time and wasn’t being a loser blazing and playing games or wasting time some other way. It was very low level.. just me and some friends rolling. I got tapped a lot hahah. Occasionally an instructor would come. I was lifting weights a decent ish amount and started some must Thai too. Eventually I got a bush jobbed and worked all summer doing labour and saved a bit. Although I was still hard on pmo and blazing. On our last hitch this sociopath guy tried getting a few of us fired and was power tripping and being abusive so we had an early lay off and had to shut down. Being bad with money I lost it all quick. Days off I smoke and drank. But when I got back to town I just started working out lots and a bit more into health and fitness. Started listening to jre Jordan Peterson and Jocko eventually. Did muay thai a decent amount and boxing and some taekwondo. Just started to become obsessed with training cause it felt so good and I got hopeful for the future. I decided i wanted to move to bc near van city/whistler and find work welding and snowboard and get my life on track. Easier said than done. I landed part time work for maybe a week before I left doing labour and got to touch a welder once or twice. Me and a few ‘friends’ found a place. I bought a new car.. and truck. Then my old car got stolen. (I’ve owned 13 vehicles since turning 16 and gotten into mechanics a bit hah. Rolled first truck, seized engine on car, got licence suspended and sold new truck, bought and tried to flip another truck but didn’t make anything, bought two big lifted pickups that needed work, still have one and traded other for the car that got stolen. Bought another one to fix up but got ripped off and lost money. Bought my first diesel that needed work but flipped and made nothing. Bought another car but it broke down while I was in the bush later on working on an oil rig mid winter and I spent a fuckoad of money for mechanics and parts and towing, got ripped off, sold it and lost money. Bought a truck that I just traded for my current [3rd] diesel truck which I’m fixing. In between then I bought my second diesel and hit a cow mid sunset on the highway while blind looking for somewhere to pull over.) I’m going to fast forward to now and then bounce back. Here I am Fixing yet another truck I’ve bought that broke down. Trying to find work in a new city I want to live in. Haven’t been on here for a while but I wish I did before relapse. Was on a nice 30-50 day streak feeling good. Real good. I finally spent the night (didn’t hook up cause I’m not into that anymore) with a girl I’ve like for 2 yrs since I met her. Then I left to next province to buy this truck and look for work (cause I hate the town I was in, crashing at my moms.. super depressing. Nothing there, just farmers and drugs and booze) It was so dope. Cause when we met we both were extremely attracted to each other.. and kissed the last time I saw her. She was in a shitty relationship and so was I at the time. After that though her bf blocked me off everything and I ended up leaving the province anyways. We didn’t talk for 2 years till I returned. It took a while but we finally hung out and she told me she liked me since she met me. She almost told me she loved me lmao. I was so happy. We didn’t want to let go of eachother but I told her I had to go and make this road trip out west. Eventually I’ll be returning to grab my things from my moms but if she wants to come she’s welcome. I’d be happy to have her once I’m working steady and renting again. I’m planning on going to school now. This is the power of no fap. But now after a relapse feel awful. My communication with her has been poor and I’ve been needy again. I asked her a few times how she felt and if she’d be into coming out here but I don’t think she is. Whatever though. I need to get back in the path and do me I don’t need her. I’m honestly thinking of sending her this whole story so she knows who I am and have been. Maybe in an effort to convince her to not be with me.. not that she’s likely that interested already but to separate for a bit. I was thinking I’ll tell her I’m deleting snap and not talking to to her for a bit till I get my shit together. Idk yet though. A break from everyone would be nice. I don’t feel like I have real friends anyways so I wouldn’t mind cutting everyone off. Thoughts? Anyways .i discovered no fap.. finally earlier this year. I was feeing like shit. I quit a job on an oil rig I only worked at for a month. Came back to a town I was paying rent at down south thinking I’d work somewhere I was more passionate about. (Back to the town me and my pothead friends moved to to snowboard and turn things around. Well things didn’t turn around. I was clean.. stopped drinking and smoking and just wanted to accomplish my goals but I hated living with them. It was hell and I was still fucked up from my history and the pmo. I tried matching on tinder with girls and got no success just more lonely.i did get some gym sessions in and a bit of jiu jitzu and musy thai. I could bench about 205 for a few reps and do weighted pull-ups with a 90 and squat 245 and deadlift 365at this time. Due to inconsistency I haven’t pushed my numbers from here much to this day except my squat i got to 290 right before covid. I started working for a bit an hour drive away but the job was shit and I was supposed to be a welder but they didn’t want to train me so I did labour and washed trucks for about 2 weeks doing 12 hour days 6 days a week plus an hour bus commute plus atleast 2 hours driving to the city to work with assholes who wanted nothing to do with me. I had no time to cook or sleep or do anything I wanted with myself and when I got home my shit dick roommates would keep me up for hours making noise playing video games watching tv smoking and drinking. I got let go from the job thankfully cause they didn’t think I was committed cause I took a few days off to do an aptitude test and interview with the Canadian armed forces. I still haven’t got in. But once I get a letter from a psychologist saying I’m not mentally unstable or suicidal or dangerous or addicted to drugs my file should process. Meanwhile I landed a job on an oil rig as a roughneck. Something I really wanted to do. I’m thinking about going back now.. even though I don’t really want to. I wish I stuck with it. I took a trip out of province to do drug tests, physical, and training and see some family. [guess what? Still heavy on pmo. But listening to Jocko and Jordan lots and wanted to get my shit together] I met a girl on tinder in a town while I crashed at my cousins for two nights. We hooked up, passionately and fell ‘in love’ and talked every single day even when I was on the rig in camp up north. I’d tell her all about how miserable and cold I was working in -45 all day getting wet and yelled at for warming up my hands to prevent them from falling off or for defrosting my saftey glasses that got fogged over and frozen all the time when I was working my ass off and couldn’t see and then my thin ass gloves they make you wear and thin boots and how the guys I worked with were assholes sometimes and bitched and rushed me all the time when it’s a dangerous job where I could easily get seriously injured or killed. And where being the new guy your way more likely to do so. and I didn’t know what to do and wasn’t getting trained well and it was sketchy and how I was coughing up blood cause I had to tiger torch the fuck out of these plastic caps on the casing to get them off and breathed in a lot of shit. I was working 12 hours a day plus an hour commute from camp with no actual breaks really cause they expect you to just go go go all day. You pretty much sneak into the locker room to grab a quick snack once a while and warm up quick but only if you’re drilling and you got enough time between connections to get off the rig floor get to the locker room but usually you have to do something else outside lol. And lord fucking forbid you aren’t ready for connection cause then you might just get fired. I think it was the fact that the guys who bitched the most were the ones inside the warm dog house or office most of the day. theni was trying to get a gym sesh once or twice a day and stuff my face at breakfast and dinners and keep good hygiene and call gf [being a simp I lost so much fucking sleep to that in particular and fucked myself over] and try to not eat the dessert abundantly available and ultimately fail over and over gradually I hated it more and more and was super over tired and my rig manager lost it cause I took a a two minute power nap right in front of him DURING DOWNTIME the only downtime we really got for most of the hitch. While I was actually able to just sit down in the cozy warm room he got to spend so much time in and I could barely keep my eyes open lol. Fuckin best power nap ever. Well all that and getting some daily pmo in of course, fucking myself over More. And then to top it off since I wasn’t down to drive my car through the mountains back and forth for the 8 days off we get, I booked a plane ticket back, and would have to be buying these at my own expense then my manager told me I had to stay a few extra days for shut down. I officially told my gf I’m quitting I hate this. I told her I’d fuckigo back down to where I was still paying rent with the potheads where they hadn’t taken the fucking garbage out since I left for 3 months and don’t clean or do dishes or work barely and I’m helping pay bills . I said fuck I’m gonna go be a damn welder like I said I was gonna and I’ll move to her town and eventually we’ll get MARRIED LMAO well I finished my 20 straight days of riggin an packed my bags, and found out my car shit the bed. I paid 700$ to get a tow to the nearest town out of the bush and miraculously my step mom got her mentally unstable brother to pick me up and bring me to the Rez for a bit till my cars ready. He told me about a company he started and how he could train me on heavy equipment and big trucks I said he’ll ya man but it hasn’t happened. I heard he’s a compulsive liar so I doubt it will.. but we’ll see. I emailed saying I quit and haven’t been back. But now, almost a year later I’m needing work bad and money. I’ve applied for hundred of jobs with no success and I just saw and applied for a floorhand job with the same company again. Anyway I got a ride to the town 3 hrs away and got in my car and pod the 1500 dollar fucking bill for a new fuel pump and shit I probably didn’t even need. My car ran like shit but instead of taking it back and saying what the fuck I thought you fixed it cunts. ) Just ended up working a bullshit job for 10$ less per hour plus no ot and literally just cleaning up shit at construction sites. I wanted to weld but was having no luck. I got dumped yet again after a short relationship with another girl I was obsessed with. Lol I dated her 3 months, we met on 19 fucking years old and I finally got a glimpse at part of the reason why my life has been meaningless garbage and I’ve been such a worthless low life shit. That cloud that’s been with me since I was at least 11 years old. Since I first came hah. Even before then I was a simpy little kid. I hate myself. But at age 11 me and some old ‘friends’ were getting on Facebook. I started ‘dating’ I felt pretty insecure cause they had stories about having gfs and kissing girls and that (I just moved back to town cause I’d spend every other year somewhere else and then come back to this shitty little place) but yeah.. we’d all hangout and they’d talked about porn a bit too and when we’d sleep over at each other’s houses there’d be lots of video games and bullshit like that, and eventually, cause I ended up getting a computer, we started watching porn together. Like fuck me. What a way to grow up. Video games and porn. That shit stuck with me for the rest of my life. Made me super awkward and weird too. I had a couple gf s that year in grade 6 lol. It was short lived and lots of boring Facebook talk hah. Never lasted and I was weird af in person. I actually ‘dated ‘ an older girl who was in high school (gr8)
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2020.11.20 06:56 fleetheworld this question is a rollercoaster

so my toxic abusive ex is dating a jehova witness who is currently hiding it from her family. he is an atheist as well as an abuser and he has a gang tattoo. will this result in shunning? he knows the risk and is willing to ruin her life.
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Author Vaultdweller013
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The wiki article literally says Mormons not Jehovah witnesses. Look I dislike the Jesus freaks as much as the next guy but the Mormons and Jehovas witnesses have nothing to do with eachother. If you want a good example of the Jehovas witnesses being shit look into their child sexual abuse scandal, if you want some videos look up Telltale on YouTube dudes ex-JW and keeps good tabs on 'em.
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Jehovahs Witnesses didn't exist till around 1914, this is false. They are very kind people and would never do something like that. I may have left their religion but only because I'm atheist. Go to JW.org to learn more my friend.
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im a jehovah's witness an this makes me so happy the puns
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So my grandma is a Jehovah's witness and while I've met some really (I think) nice people there at conventions and such and had some good conversations with the cute little old ladies, it's just like any other religion. There are going to be a few genuine, kind people that want to help you, accept you for all of your sins or whatever, and encourage you to live a life of modesty and kindness dedicated to Jesus, BUT and this is a big but There are also ASSHOLES and my grandma is one of them.
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Yes their primary objective is to teach you their beliefs so you can have the same hope for a good future. I used to be a witness and they are good kind people, they are not a misleading cult all they do is follow good rules and teach others their beliefs. I am not a witness anymore but they were the nicest people. Go to jw.org to see their harmless beliefs
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Author IthinkImanegg
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They want you to believe that they are the nicest people. I'm still technically a witness, and we are continually taught how to manipulate people by trying to show everyone just how nice we are no matter how we really feel.
They believe that the world is going to end soon and therefore their followers should not invest anything into the current system. They have been preaching this message for over 100 years and yet the end has still not come. They have changed their dates and predictions of the end of the world to the point that they recommended to their followers to sell all of their belongings because this system was ending.
I call them a cult because of how they treat those who decide to leave. If I was to tell my parents that I no longer believe in the religion, they would kick me to the curb and I would be homeless until I could find housing. They have told me this and this is what is recommended by the Watchtower. How can a religion be loving and yet still demand that parents shun their children - something that is not based on scripture?
This website covers properties of a high control group (aka cult). Notice how many boxes the witnesses fit into.
You sound like you still believe in the religion, so I always recommend checking out [jwfacts.com](https://jwfacts.com) to see just how harmful their beliefs can be.
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Author A_Pessimistic_Potato
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Jojehovah's witness
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Author wowitsverycool
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iirc, that was mormons, not jehovah's witnesses, right?
source: ex mormon
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Author amateurArtist1
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My parents are Jehovah’s witnesses so I’ve been to the meetings. I do not go anymore but when I did go it did not seem like a cult. It was just singing and reciting bible verses. Idk maybe it’s different then when I was a kid
Edit: I looked at Exjw and it seems that when I was a kid I did not realize it was a cult. I’m glad I’m not in it anymore
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Author august_sloan
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It isn't, they just stick to their beliefs. They are very kind. Nothing about it is fucked up, they want peace for the world but they believe only God could bring such a thing. I am no longer a Jehovah witness but they are very kind people. Go to JW.org to learn more.
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Author the-gray-swarm
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Honestly I know some jehovahs witnesses they all seem to be nice people trying to help you or help people I have never seen one yell at anyone or even cuss I like talking to them
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Author august_sloan
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Actually I was shunned for doing things I wasn't supposed to. I never believed in it but I wanted to stay around the people as long as possible. I'm 16 now and atheist. However I just don't want people to believe these kind people who raised me are evil. The same ones who were by my side in the hospital, at my relatives funerals and always making happy to be seen as evil people. If you want to see for yourself their kindness go to their website jw.org. you don't have to believe me I'm a nobody but I hope you do see for yourself their kindness one day.
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Author august_sloan
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I personally was a Jehovahs witness for many years before leaving due to different beliefs. They are the nicest people you will ever meet and stick to their beliefs which are to be kind and Christian, they spend their whole lives teaching others their beliefs so that they too can have their hope. Witnesses have never EVER done anything remotely to what yall say. Go to JW.org to learn more about them. I may not believe in them but they are the nicest people you'll ever meet.
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Author IthinkImanegg
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I think I should hop in as a representative of exjw. It's all a facade to get you to try and talk to them. Its a dangerous and misleading cult and you should be careful since their primary objective is to convert you.
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Author thisisadreamw4k3up
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damn thats really offensive. i'm a jehovah's witness and i've met people who devote their entire lives to this out of pure faith. they are genuinely great people who believe in Jehovah with their whole hearts, but you call it a cult?
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https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2019/03/the-secret-`jehovahs-witness`-database-of-child-molesters/584311/ Check this out if you still think they’re just annoying or harmless people.
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2020.11.14 09:38 lovehearts1298 Not Sure Where Turn All I Know is I Need Some Resources or Advice

Hi Everyone,
I'm extremely new to reddit. In fact the only reason I came to reddit right now is that I knew this is the best place to get as many useful resources and advice as possible from as many people as possible.
I'm a 21 (almost 22) female, who lives in the U.S and I have fallen in love with a 22 year old guy from the Netherlands. He currently lives as a Jehova's witness, but he has no interest in it really, as he is born into it, and only does the things required of him to appease his loving family. His family has become very toxic after his father's death, and as he grows older, the intrigue of the outside world has caused him to act rebellious but nothing bad enough to be shunned.....yet. I can tell he wants to leave the religion, but not his family, but his family are very enveloped in the community, his own father was one of the Elders? Not sure what that meant, but I'm assuming it was a high position.
He's risking his place in the community by talking to me, much more so when we video chat and do other things on camera (^-^")>. I was even willing to marry him as soon as we were able to have a few dates in person. I didn't care, I just wanted to be with him. However, I found out, even if I marry him, JW's will not want to accept the marriage and I realize that once I take off the rose-colored glasses, I'll be left alone in the Netherlands, with an entire family that would most likely pressure me to become JW as well. Hell, I was even contemplating being one if it'll get me in the same room with him without him losing his family. He really urged me to NOT do that. He's very understanding and doesn't want me to be sucked into that life. So, now we're left with happy days that we know can possibly come to a bitter end at any moment.
I told him to just become financially independent as soon as he can, then find his own place. However, he has a controlling brother who's 20 years older than him (long story) who is very nosy about him and what he does, so even with his own independence like that, he can't keep me a secret forever, and he can't keep both his family and me at the same time.
If you can give me any advice for him. I have never dealt with a situation like this, I have no idea how I can help him now than just being there for him however much I can. We're still pretty young, I'm still in school myself, and I just.....have never felt more frustrated and guilty in my life for putting this man in such a position. Thanks for whoever decides to respond. And please....be nice about it.
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2020.11.11 20:07 sirpenguin0 Ever been accused of something grotesque? It doesn't feel nice. Let me tell you the story.

For context I am currently DF'd but it had nothing to do with my ex. I dated my childhood sweetheart for 5 years. We met when I was 14 and she was 13 and we grew up together while dating. she was my absolute best friend for those years its really one of my warmest memories hanging out and making jokes all day despite how it ended.
This happened a couple months ago. I had a reinstatement meeting (personal reasons plan to immediately fade). This one elder known for being one of those who really like having an illusion of power over the people in the congregation and very used to getting exactly what he asks of people and not at all used to being told no. Well call him brother M
The meeting began and it was normal however brother M began to ask much more about my relationship with my ex who at the time had just turned 18. Brother M began to ask what sexual things we had done and would not let go of the subject. At the time I loved this girl still and I felt like it was a violation of her personal information so I told him "I dont feel comfortable giving out that information its not mine to give" and he got furious.
Brother M said "its not her information ita Jehovas information" and "I know you're lying so you don't have to tell the truth" however I persisted saying no because im a stubborn dumbass :/ however this is when he began losing control and acting out accusing me of several things. But the big one was...
"If you were 18 and she was younger we could have a very serious problem and the authorities might need to made aware". HE WAS ACCUSING ME OF BEING A PEDOPHILE. FOR A GUY THAT IS A HEAVY HEAVY ACCUSATION. I still told him no and he began saying "I am a father I know what you're doing you need to tell me now" I got up and left. Later another elder made it his business to confront him and so did some family. I gave his words as much publicity as I could for a shunned person. He was never really dealt with only a slap on the wrist of course.
This makes me so infuriated I don't even know how to put into words. I was a 14 year old kid with a crush and she happened to be a year younger. We dated for 5 years and I loved this girl with every bit of me I had. I cant tell you how insulting it is to hear that. In the end he got away with it and she broke up with me because being with me was against Jehovas principles. she chose a fake money making idea over me then had that told to me.
So if you didn't know being accused of something you didn't do or of being something you aren't. Feels pretty fucking shitty.
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2020.11.04 03:33 jw_mentions /r/todayilearned - "TIL that a teacher in Florida was suspended for trying to force a Jehovah’s Witness student to pledge allegiance to the U.S flag despite the fact that their denomination forbids doing so."

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Submission TIL that a teacher in Florida was suspended for trying to force a Jehovah’s Witness student to pledge allegiance to the U.S flag despite the fact that their denomination forbids doing so.
Comments TIL that a teacher in Florida was suspended for trying to force a Jehovah’s Witness student to pledge allegiance to the U.S flag despite the fact that their denomination forbids doing so.
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Author bruce656
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The fact that the kid was a Jehovah's witness really has nothing to do with it. Teachers cannot force students to recite the pledge, full-stop.
This has been established court precedent since 1943
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
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Author HeippodeiPeippo
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I grew up as JW. The good things i learned: material possession are not important. We are all one, all the borders are artificial and human made, (the fact that they can be removed by humans was not taught but i still learned it at the same time). I also learned how to withstand bullying and not be afraid to be different. The rest of the good things i count as my parents being good parents, like be kind to others, everyone is equal, there is no shame of treating even the scruffiest looking people with dignity. My parents do not shun me, i see them pretty much every week, they have not stopped supporting me no matter how much i screw up and we have remained close.
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Author kalysti
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It's hard to believe this is yet again rearing its ugly head. I was raised in a JW family, and couldn't pledge allegiance. I never had a problem, but there were court cases about it throughout my childhood.
I, myself, never believed in the religion, which I've considered a cult since I was a pre-teen. But what this teacher did was egregious. She has every right to her opinion, but no right to act it out in her capacity as a public servant. She physically mishandled and abused this child, and deserves some sort of legal consequence.
As a teacher, she should be held responsible to know and understand court decisions that affect her job, including those on religious freedom.
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Author Gastronomicus
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Fails to mention that that kid is a JW and grew up in a cult.
And why is it necessary to state that in order to establish that "making kids pledge allegiance to something they don't even understand is brainwashing"?
Hint - it isn't.
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Author buttsex_itis
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Yeah its kind of like convincing young children to get baptized which jws do and if they decide it isn't for them when they're older they get disfellowshipped and are cut out of their family and shunned by everyone they know and love.
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Author nrith
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I’m kinda torn on this one. The whole mandatory flag worship is weird, butJWs are weirder.
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Author cerberus00
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Hello fellow ex-JW
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Author mrglubglub
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Say what you will, the standardsJWs have set a lot of precedence for human rights worldwide in court for decades.
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Author rcarmack1
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Hey, fellow ex-jw here. I completely agree with you, this is just a child who is doing what their parents told them to do. Don't try to make an example of a child just because of their parents idiotic beliefs. Believe me, we suffer enough because of what our parents choose to believe already.
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Author gehanna1
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In middle school, I "" "dated""" a jehovah's witness. He refused to say the pledge too, but he said it was because he was born in Hawaii, not in the US. :
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Author jcd1974
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In my elementary school there was a JW family and all of them had to go into the hallway every morning when the national anthem was played over the intercom.
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Author hakkai999
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This isn't strictly justJWs. Mormons and Iglesia ni Christo also does this.
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Author moogly2
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There was JW in my first-grade class, public school. We made paper Christmas trees, he just made a normal tree. Was 30 yrs ago, this whole thing would never happen today
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Author Arch_Adjuticator
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He's saying that making that kid do the pledge is brainwashing. Fails to mention that that kid is a JW and grew up in a cult.
If you call making someone do the pledge brainwashing then I consider making a kid grow up a JW a crime against humanity.
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Author Volvith
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Yeah, Jehova's Witnesses are SLIGHTLY worse though.
They're a cult.
Ask anyone who's gotten out just how bad it is, between the forced ideologies and the shunning... Terrifying kids into obedience...
Pledging allegiance to a flag is tame by comparison.
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Author Alistair_TheAlvarian
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Like the pledge of allegiance, and all of jehovas witness.
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Author Dyz_blade
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Fuck jehovahs witnesses and fuck that teacher for their equally fucked up attempt at applying illegal bullshit to this poor child that was brought up in that bullshit.
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Author HDD_Compa
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Two sides of the same coin... Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult, plain and simple. Still, fuck this teacher.
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Author ritr135
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To the contrary, the question of Jehovah's Witnesses versus mandatory recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance was central to one of America's landmark first amendment cases decided all the way back in 1943, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette.
Giving a shit about this particular thing is like constitutional law 101, which makes it all the weirder that a teacher was still on the wrong side of it generations later.
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2020.11.03 09:02 EMorales155 Growing up jw

The Jehovas Witness religion has left some deep scars in my heart. Growing up as a Christian was a joy because we were close to God. Growing up as a jehovas witness, that was the worst thing that could have ever happened to me. My mother has been in the religion for 35+ years and she is still happily a part of this religion. I was born and raised jw however never decided to get baptized despite the deep pressure all around me to do so. I saw friends get baptized young, around 13 years old and then get disfellowshipped over very petty things such as dating “worldly men” or having friends outside the “truth”. These control tactics went so deep that many friends ended up depressed and suicidal. To be gay or lesbian was out of the question and the youth slowly withered away into alcoholics to numb the pain. The friends I grew up with would marry very young just to be able to get out of their parents house and have sex. The only option was to marry in the truth. 99% of those marriages no longer exist and one of my friends even committed suicide. I would go to their yearly memorial of the death of Jesus Christ to please my mother once I became an adult but other then that stopped going. I was abused by a family member, with inappropriate touching and nothing was done about it. I was just a rebellious youth who wanted to start troubles is what the “elders” said. I moved away and started a family, once again finding the jehovas witnesses at my door 1000 miles away i would go every once in a while with my kids and husband. When i was 24 years old, my 19 year old brother had a hiking accident and passed away. My mother who was gone to this church for over thirty five years was denied a funeral for her own son from the church because he was not baptized and was not “doing good in the truth”. Quote from an elder. The pain and frustration I felt at the time it lingers to this day making my blood feel like it’s rushing and I just want to release my frustration in some way. Who denies a family the most humble, basic of rights in a tragic situation where a 19 year old hard working young man has a hiking accident? The jehovas witnesses. I’m thankful i have found Jesus Christ and he has helped my heart heal. My amazing church family who are very supportive and loving, they are always there but especially during the tough times. I’ve had to learn that God isn’t the author of confusion. I’ve learned to love my neighbors as they are and let go of what I can not control. I was saved and baptized for the first time in my life last year after going through so much pain from another religion. If you are in that cult, there is hope I promise! The hardest part for me was realizing that maybe there is a heaven after all and that my brother will be waiting for me with open arms when the time comes after being a faithful disciple and ending my journey on earth. Stay blessed ❤️
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2020.11.03 08:51 EMorales155 Growing up in a cult

Growing up in a cult
The Jehovas Witness religion has left some deep scars in my heart. Growing up as a Christian was a joy because we were close to God. Growing up as a jehovas witness, that was the worst thing that could have ever happened to me. My mother has been in the religion for 35+ years and she is still happily a part of this religion. I was born and raised jw however never decided to get baptized despite the deep pressure all around me to do so. I saw friends get baptized young, around 13 years old and then get disfellowshipped over very petty things such as dating “worldly men” or having friends outside the “truth”. These control tactics went so deep that many friends ended up depressed and suicidal. To be gay or lesbian was out of the question and the youth slowly withered away into alcoholics to numb the pain. The friends I grew up with would marry very young just to be able to get out of their parents house and have sex. The only option was to marry in the truth. 99% of those marriages no longer exist and one of my friends even committed suicide. I would go to their yearly memorial of the death of Jesus Christ to please my mother once I became an adult but other then that stopped going. I was abused by a family member, with inappropriate touching and nothing was done about it. I was just a rebellious youth who wanted to start troubles is what the “elders” said. I moved away and started a family, once again finding the jehovas witnesses at my door 1000 miles away i would go every once in a while with my kids and husband. When i was 24 years old, my 19 year old brother had a hiking accident and passed away. My mother who was gone to this church for over thirty five years was denied a funeral for her own son from the church because he was not baptized and was not “doing good in the truth”. Quote from an elder. The pain and frustration I felt at the time it lingers to this day making my blood feel like it’s rushing and I just want to release my frustration in some way. Who denies a family the most humble, basic of rights in a tragic situation where a 19 year old hard working young man has a hiking accident? The jehovas witnesses. I’m thankful i have found Jesus Christ and he has helped my heart heal. My amazing church family who are very supportive and loving, they are always there but especially during the tough times. I’ve had to learn that God isn’t the author of confusion. I’ve learned to love my neighbors as they are and let go of what I can not control. I was saved and baptized for the first time in my life last year after going through so much pain from another religion. If you are in that cult, there is hope I promise! The hardest part for me was realizing that maybe there is a heaven after all and that my brother will be waiting for me with open arms when the time comes after being a faithful disciple and ending my journey on earth. Stay blessed ❤️
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2020.11.03 07:40 Revolutionary-Tip515 Help me understand someone with conflicting beliefs/actions

Hi. This is weird. I never thought I'd find myself here. Anyway here it goes. This is gonna sound like a mess.
I have been dating this guy who is a Jehova's Witness for almost 11 months now. At first, he wouldn't be upfront about his religion. He didn't tell me he was a Jehova's Witness until we had dated for 4 months and we had a conversation about possibly having children someday. He explained he was "inactive" but still wanted to raise his kids without birthday celebrations or Christmas. We had also had WILD sex, exchanged sexual pictures, and went on unchaperoned dates duh. It seemed to be that he was unsure about his faith but leaned more towards the inactive side. I couldn't see myself dating someone who wouldn't let my kids blow birthday candles. We both decided it would be best to take a break but eventually got back together. We believed we could compromise and date while respecting each other's beliefs. I even watched a JW video that he sent me once. I figured I could try to learn about this person's beliefs because I love him very dearly. A little bit about myself I am Latina and he is Black. I grew up Catholic but I do not go to church or identify as a Catholic anymore.
Our relationship progressed and I eventually got to meet his family and they seemed to be ok with the fact that I was a non-Jw. A couple of days ago his mom sent me an IG post talking about "the origins of Halloween" written by one of their family friends. I thanked her for the information and told her that I really enjoyed trick or treating and bumping Thriller and that I also celebrated the Mexican tradition of Day of the Dead and that it was a beautiful tradition to honor our loved ones coming from the Aztecs/Church. I got no answer from her which I kind of expected. I didn't intend to disrespect them and I really enjoy talking to her and I wanted to set a boundary and also share about my culture.
Anyway, I'm rambling I guess. Yesterday was a terrible day for me and he offered to come over to pick up a gift that I had gotten him. I was hoping he would stay but he said he needed to leave since I had put up an altar for my grandma and he didn't feel comfortable. I respected that but I felt disappointed that he would leave me when I really needed him. I guess he could have also tried to continue our conversation or provide support over the phone or via text but he kinda just left.
I guess the reason why I'm writing this is to ask for understanding of this person and maybe even of myself. We smoke weed together, have sex, do "sinful" things but he won't celebrate birthdays and will walk away from me if I celebrate my own traditions. I know he is afraid of being disfellowshipped and I wouldn't want him to go through that either. It seems to me that he is, like I have read on some of these posts, physically in and mentally in but mentally out at times. I really care for him but WHAT IS UP? I want to respect his beliefs and continue the relationship but how should I approach this situation.
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2020.11.03 06:29 jw_mentions /r/relationship_advice - "My (25f) family celebrates holidays and always has. My boyfriends (22m) family recently stopped and are against it. We had a baby, and my bf keeps telling me his mom will “not be happy” if I celebrate and include our baby."

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Submission My (25f) family celebrates holidays and always has. My boyfriends (22m) family recently stopped and are against it. We had a baby, and my bf keeps telling me his mom will “not be happy” if I celebrate and include our baby.
Comments My (25f) family celebrates holidays and always has. My boyfriends (22m) family recently stopped and are against it. We had a baby, and my bf keeps telling me his mom will “not be happy” if I celebrate and include our baby.
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Okay, the situation isn’t ideal. I live with my dad still, mainly to help care for him and help him out. And my boyfriend lives with his mom.
I had our baby almost 3 weeks ago. His sister has already “interviewed” me and asked how we handle holidays, and when I told her, she kept casually throwing in how Christmas is evil, thanksgiving is celebrated for the wrong reasons, etc and how they don’t celebrate them.
Then, when I’d bring up to my boyfriend celebrating Christmas and Thanksgiving, he’d get weird and he finally said his mom wouldn’t be happy and wouldn’t like that our baby is included in celebrating holidays...
This will be their second year of not celebrating, and I’ve celebrated holidays my entire life and she’s my baby too. My boyfriend doesn’t even like that they stopped, and he said as a kid it gave him something to look forward to but now he wants me to side with him and his family.
He won’t even talk to me about it and seems to get frustrated especially when I mention being excited and dressing her up for her first Christmas. And he obviously doesn’t want me to and just keeps telling me how his mom and family aren’t going to like it if I do that.
I don’t know what to do, and it’s bothering me. I just need some advice. What do I do in a situation like this? I’m trying to get a place for me and him together but he’s obviously too scared to celebrate even tho he really wants to and he misses it. But he seems mad at me over it. Just because his mom doesn’t like holidays.
Our baby is not his moms baby. She doesn’t control these things. She’s her grandma. She doesn’t dictate if she gets to have a Christmas or not. Help 😭
Tl;dr; boyfriends mom decided Christmas is evil and other holidays are as well. Now he seems mad at me for including our baby in holidays and said his mom won’t be happy. He said himself he misses celebrating and they only stopped two years ago. It’s causing tension between us and I don’t know what to do. Holidays are always celebrated in my life and I love it. He’s only against it because his mom is.

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Author monkey_mcdermott
Posted On Mon Nov 02 23:02:31 UTC 2020
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What did his mom join the jehovah's witnesses? If so do not let your husband raise your child in that cult. The next time he says his mom wont like it the only response needs to be "tough shit, its not her child and I'm not depriving my kid the joys of celebration because your mom had a lifestyle change, just like i wouldn't make the baby eat vegan only just cause grandma decided to be vegan"
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Author tabbycat4
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Came here to agree. I have a friend who was and probably still is a JW. She was in a toxic marriage and I don't know if she still is but literally her religion only allows divorce in the case of cheating. And she can't even separate from him unless he hits her. She made a huge mistake marrying him but he got sober and joined her church for her and she thought he'd turned his life around and then he started drinking and using drugs again. She told me she couldn't leave him unless she was willing to leave the church and lose her family.
What's even worse a few years ago she briefly dated a guy that was probably perfect for her but he wasn't religious and not willing to join her church so she eventually just broke it off even though they were so compatible besides the religious aspect. But she couldn't hide it for long because her neighbors/people she was renting from were part of her church. She did do hair and stuff out of her house so they knew people would be over but they'd notice if she had overnight guests.
So she was telling me about how her husband did meth or some shit and how he came home to tell her he fucked up and how excited she was thinking he cheated on her so she could leave and then he told her he did meth.
I haven't heard from her in a while so I don't know if she ever fot away. I know she has one sister (out of three) that did leave and told her she'd support her leaving the church if ahe wanted to but I don't know if she ever did.
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Author AGalaxyOfHobos
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He's likely a JW and working his mom over to try and convert her.
You really need to help your boyfriend find out if this is the case and if so, his mom needs to get away from that dude ASAP. JWs are monsters, and no, I will absolutely never in a million years apologize for this viewpoint. They are scum of the earth. They practice shunning and family alienation from non-believers, they routinely practice child abuse and worst of all, if a child of theirs is dying and they need a blood transfusion, they will refuse it and let the child die. And no, I am absolutely not making this up.
Source: My ex wife is a former JW and her family is still practicing. They told my daughter when she was five that the world was ending soon and forced her to watch the Ten Commandments. Poor kid had to spend the next six months in intensive counseling to undo the devastating fear of death and darkness they managed to instill in her with just spending one night with them.
Make no mistake, this needs to be treated as an absolute, five alarm emergency and you guys need to get his mom the absolute mother of fucks away from this monster of a human being she's dating right now!
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Author reality_junkie_xo
Posted On Mon Nov 02 21:57:13 UTC 2020
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He must be a Jehovah's Witness. They do not believe in celebrating birthdays or holidays.
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Author AGalaxyOfHobos
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I'm sorry to hear about your friend, I truly am, but her situation is not going to change unless she changes it.
Leaving theJWs is a tough road, believe me, I spent my prime years on a woman who, while she managed to leave, also has lifelong issues and damages from growing up in that shit show. The scars and lasting damage from it, I am sadly confident she will never recover from.
While she's not in their church anymore, her life is a constant series of self-inflicted disasters and horrible choices from not ever learning how to live in the world away from them. And emotionally, she's pretty much failed to thrive even to minimal levels as an adult.
Even away from the church, her devout parents are still an overwhelming negative force in her life, to the point where I've had to limit our daughter's time with her mother because my ex's parents plan "ambush visits" on the days they think my daughter will be with her.
It's maddening, disgusting and every single day I just wish they'd die so we could all have a moment's peace without their shadow looming.
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Author TrueCrime_addict
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His mom makes the decisions for HER family. You make the decisions for yours. Like it or not she has absolutely no say in what you do with your little family. I say this as i can relate, my in laws are jehovahs witnesses and they do not celebrate any holidays or birthdays so my husband and I know not to invite them or bring it up. We celebrate on our own or with my family.
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Author alicedeelite
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Sounds like they are in a cult. (Maybe Jehovahs Witness but maybe something else). Frankly i would dump the boyfriend and keep the child as far away from those people as possible. Not because they have chosen not to celebrate holidays but because they have no sense of appropriate boundaries and will continue to undermine your authority in your child’s life.
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Author AloofPotato13
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This situation REEKS of Jehovah's Witness.
Run. Run like hell. If your boyfriend is just that, AND supports his mother's new cult, fucking run. It doesn't stop at holidays. This cult will do it's damnest to convert your family or destroy it entirely. RUN.
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Author bigchicago04
Posted On Mon Nov 02 21:36:50 UTC 2020
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God, your bf is probably a Jehovas Witness. Please don’t date cult members.
Look, it’s your child and she lives with you. If you celebrate holidays that’s your choice for you and your child. Screw what your baby daddy’s sister thinks.
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Author -final-girl-
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Are they Jehova's Witnesses or what? Why are they like this?
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Author AloofPotato13
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Very much second this opinion. My mother's side of the family are JW. We are no contact with them because of how awful they are and their religion.
Can definitely confirm the blood transfusion crap. My mom had really bad scoliosis and could have had it corrected when she was a kid, however it required a blood transfusion. Her JW parents refused, so now my mother has had to live with her spine curving underneath her shoulder blade, of which she had to get ribs removed at a later date.
The sudden lack of celebrating anything is a huge red flag. My mother said she recalls very clearly when she was 5 years old when her parents converted. Suddenly her life changed, and she wasn't allowed to be a normal kid anymore. I still don't know the full extent of her abuse, but she did get into drugs for a long time as a result of being forced into a cult.
I have so many stories of how they shunned my mother and our family because we wouldn't conform to their cult or tolerate their bullshit.
They also love to sweep extreme problems under the rug to save face, especially for a family member they adore. My mom's aunt's adopted son had a very long history of heavy drug abuse, and also had a wife and 4 girls. He passed recently due to getting fucked up on fentanyl and falling and cracking his head. His mother, wife, and friends refused to take him to the hospital right away because no one wanted the truth to come out. So they waited until the next morning, and he died in the hospital. EVERYONE knew this guy was struggling with addiction, yet did nothing to help him; only enabled. Now 4 innocent girls are without a father in their very vulnerable teenage years have been raised to see secrecy, cults, and drugs as normal.
I HATEJWs and always will.
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Author TrueCrime_addict
Posted On Tue Nov 03 05:32:38 UTC 2020
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His mom makes the decisions for HER family. You make the decisions for yours. Like it or not she has absolutely no say in what you do with your little family. I say this as i can relate, my in laws are jehovahs witnesses and they do not celebrate any holidays or birthdays so my husband and I know not to invite them or bring it up. We celebrate on our own or with my family.
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Author sectorfour
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BEST CASE SCENARIO:
  • They're Jehova's Witnesses
  • You LOLNOPE their dumb request
  • They shun you and you never have to deal with them again
Bummer for your boyfriend, but he seems like a boy, still under his mother's thumb. I can't imagine he'll be in the picture much longer.
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2020.10.28 17:34 jw_mentions /r/relationship_advice - "My (22M) wife (20F) is too lazy and never cleans our house"

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Author dariusdrafter40
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Posted On Wed Oct 28 07:55:18 UTC 2020
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We got married young because of religion (Jehovah's Witnesses), i love my wife but i always doubted if marrying young was the right decision, and now i am seeing the results.
I work full time during the week and sometimes even on Saturday, my wife works on Saturday and Sunday.
My wife stays home the whole week and never cleans the house, it's always dirty, with laundry to do, dishes to wash, clothes all over the floor.
We have 3 cats and she never cleans their litter boxes, it smells like shit everytime i enter the house.
And after a long day at work, i have to clean my house myself while she is browsing instagram.
I have talked to her about this, but she remains the same. I don't know what to do anymore.

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Author afatedcircle
Posted On Wed Oct 28 08:05:07 UTC 2020
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Typical jehovas witness thing to say. Relationships are a partnership, she's not your maid. Both of you take an evening to clean the house together.
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Author Lucklessman1234
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I was in the same situation with my wife 7 years ago. We got married as Jehovah's witnesses and when we moved in I discovered that she had zero life skills and was incredibly lazy. It's been a journey but we worked it out. The strategy I used was this; I asked her to do the smallest task that she would actually do and then thanked her when she did it. For us it was clearing the kitchen counter. Then once clearing the counter became routine I requested an additional small chore. I did the rest. I continued to add responsibilities as she was able to manage them. Unfortunately you will have to finish raising your wife. It's not her fault, it is what it is. She should be extremely grateful to you for helping her grow up. It seems unfair, but since you are the one taking responsibility you will also be the one to make decisions and direct the family. As she becomes more capable, she will be able to help more and more. It won't be an "equal" relationship, but I've found that love and connection is a result of overcoming problems like this together with grace and if you are able to help her grow, you will end up with a devoted, capable wife. On he other hand if she refuses to try and you can see she isn't trying to grow or refuses to acknowledge a problem at all, prepare for divorce and get the hell out of there.
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Thankfully my family and I left when I was 12 so I never had to experience the JW dating world. I’m so happy to hear that. Is your wife as well? Or does she still go? They tried to disfellowship my mom after she got a misdemeanor, and after she slowly started to come back or be reinstated or whatever, they had a Talk about how you are absolutely not allowed to leave your husband, even if he’s gay (which my dad was actually closeted but she knew the truth), abusive, a pedophile, cheating, etc. The ONLY way you would be allowed to leave is if he beat you so bad your “tongue falls off”. My mom said that was the last straw and we never went back. Their whole belief system is so backwards. Some of my family followed behind us but most stayed and won’t speak to us (mostly on Dad’s side). I completely understand what it’s like to be in that cult and how crazy it is. I can’t even imagine not sleeping with or living with someone before getting married to them. How do you even REALLY know someone before that? I truly sympathize with you. I’m glad you got out while you’re still young and didn’t have kids while a JW. You don’t even get to enjoy your childhood while in that cult. Your whole life revolves around that religion, specifically relationships (friendly or romantic).
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Author Mr_WhatZitTooyah
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My mom was raised jehovah's witness, and, goddamn, it was hard for her to get away. She only has a few family members that will now talk to her after almost 30 years, but she says it was the best thing she's ever done.
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Author dariusdrafter40
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And thanks for your idea btw, i will start to compliment her when she does a good job. Are you still a JW?
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I am actually faded now, so im not exactly a Jehovah's Witness right now. When i am home, if i pressure her enough to come help me, she will come sometimes, i just complain because she is home all week and never does anything
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Author Bubby623
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Please, as an ex JW, LEAVE. A weight will be lifted off your shoulders. You don’t realize how crazy that religion is until you leave. My family and I are so ashamed that we were ever involved. It’s a cult. I wish you would have gotten out before getting married so you could experience the normal dating world.
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Author Abominationally
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exjw. I was lucky to escape before my little head plunged me into a bad marriage.
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Author marielism1993
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As a born in ex jw. It IS a cult.
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Author crackdawg97
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I grew up a jehovah witness and you miss out on a lot and you aren’t encouraged to really learn anything that makes you question religion . I had a lot of reconditioning to do in my teenage years when I got out
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Im already faded, its been 7 months now. Were you a JW?
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2020.10.28 02:45 jw_mentions /r/FundieSnark - "No birthdays or Christmas for the Collins kids 😪"

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Author Ariz0na1ceT
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Posted On Tue Oct 27 20:22:56 UTC 2020
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n/a - not a self post

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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
Posted On Wed Oct 28 13:37:34 UTC 2020
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Yes all you can do is either count ceiling tiles or the number of times someone said jehoooooooovah.
At least in the church where I grew up I could stare out the window at the cemetery 😂. Sometimes I got to be acolyte so I could light and extinguish candles. Sometimes I had to carry the trays of wine shot glasses. Horrors!JWs would have clutched their fake pearls at the thought of a mere girl assisting with communion!
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Author SevanIII
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I didn't join theJWs until I was a teenager. I was raised Pentecostal and grew up celebrating the holidays. After I converted to theJWs, I was always sad about not getting to celebrate the holidays anymore. Even for an adult not getting to celebrate the holidays sucks, but it's so much harder for kids. There is so much magic around holidays when you're a kid.
I joke a lot that theJWs are the religion of no fun. Karissa is making her own narcissistic religion of no fun based on the crazy ass voices in her head. Those poor kids.
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Author Boneal171
Posted On Tue Oct 27 23:14:29 UTC 2020
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I’m/never was a JW, but that definitely sounds like sometime JW’s do. Not celebrating holidays or birthdays are somethingJWs are known for
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Author shlamtaster
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What is the rationale behind not having celebrations forJWs and other joy-banning religions? (I understand Karissa's reason of auditory hallucinations telling her celebrating life=satan worship....) It just seems so counter intuitive. Such a large part of most religions is that community, connectedness, celebrating life's mileatones...
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Author sneakyveriniki
Posted On Tue Oct 27 23:36:38 UTC 2020
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Okay, if you're still doing "dates" and a single gift (or a feast), this obviously isn't about principles; it isn't like jehovas witnesses who are against it ideologically. you're just cheap. why not say "yes but we believe Christmas should be about family, rather than material objects, which is why we just have a big dinner together" rather than pretend this is about being above everyone who's *of the world*. seriously you buy so many fucking unnecessary matching outfits from Target, you are obviously "of the world"
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Author Almi_KE
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Damn. This is so culty. Reminds me ofJWs. So sad.
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
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I thought the same thing. We watched going clear and season one of Leah Remini’s Scientology series. He stopped after the first season. I remember when she aired her special on Jehovah’s Witnesses. I was terrified of watching it while my husband was home. I kept it on the DVR for weeks hoping he’d suggest watching together. Instead I waited until he wasn’t home to watch it.
Right now I have Crisis of Conscience on my nightstand waiting to be read. He saw it and his face turned to fury and I was terrified of him going ballistic. But it’s just a book. He hasn’t mentioned it. I’m also afraid to read it in front of him. But he can’t have control over what I read.
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Author Mego0427
Posted On Wed Oct 28 08:09:10 UTC 2020
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I had to spend two extra hours creating a separate lesson and google slide deck for one class this week because one of the kids is a JW and my other lesson is Halloween themed. It's a terrible attitude to have, but I really get pissed off that one kid not being able to do something so normal and socially acceptable has to ruin it for 25 other kids. I also hate how he has to miss out on stuff because of his parents stupid views
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Author Schwertmeisterin
Posted On Tue Oct 27 22:12:07 UTC 2020
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Is she even JW? Because I’ve never heard of being ridiculous about holidays (except Halloween) outside ofJWs.
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Author GossipGirl515
Posted On Tue Oct 27 22:27:06 UTC 2020
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So jehovah witnesses.
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Author Elevenyearstoomany
Posted On Wed Oct 28 00:32:12 UTC 2020
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I worked with a JW manager of another location. He was planning on coming in on Thanksgiving (one of two paid holidays) to prep catering for the next day. Our area manager suggested we all get together on Thanksgiving to do that. Um, no we celebrate with our families.
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Author mandrakebabies
Posted On Tue Oct 27 22:37:27 UTC 2020
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No she isn’t but not celebrating anything is a JW trademark.
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Author sneakyveriniki
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Does anyone know if jehovas witnesses do birthdays?
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Author mesembryanthemum
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The Jehovah's Witnesses only celebrate what was celebrated in the Bible.
I asked once (born and raised atheist) my Christian (different denominations) friends if the New Testament wasn't one big celebration of Christ's birth. They laughed and said "don't try logic around Jehovah's Witnesses."
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2020.10.27 19:33 jw_mentions /r/offmychest - "My girlfriend just left me for her religion, out of nowhere."

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Posted On Tue Oct 27 12:55:56 UTC 2020
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Okay, here it goes.
I moved in with my gf back in March, when everything got crazy. Both our living situations changed and we felt like we had no other options. It seemed like a good idea, and we took the risk and signed the lease. For some context we are both Paramedics in a busy City, and before living together we were both huge sources of support for one another. One thing I personally have learned through my job is very few people are able to understand all the feelings and emotions we go through literally on a daily basis. So when I began dating my now ex gf, I found it a huge breath of fresh air - especially in such a difficult time live the early stages of a pandemic. We feared for our health, our families health, etc. And it was almost a must that we both had someone close to lean on. We had our little issues, just like any couple that has just moved in, but to be absolutely honest things were amazing - for both of us. We were both extremely compatible, had similar interests (exercise, photography, nature, etc.) And we shared those interests regularly. It was quite honestly a very healthy relationship, but there was always one complicating factor that I never fully appreciated the gravity of.
My gf's family is extremely religious. She came from out of province, and moved here to pursue her career goals. I was under the impression that she had left her religion behind, since that was what I was led to believe.
3 days ago I came home from an engagemen photo shoot I had booked with a client of mine, and my gf was crying. She said she told her parents about us. Immediately she almost shut down, and would not tell me what they were saying or what she was thinking. I tried to be as supportive as possible but we both had to go to sleep and work on the ambulance the next morning, and we do not make a lot of money here as medics. Because of this we went to bed, and woke up early the next morning to head to the bases we both worked at. We texted very little that day, and not about anything pertaining to the situation that had transpired last night.
When I got home that night, my gf was crying and saying we needed to talk. Her family had given her an ultimatum: leave her currently living situation with me, or never see her family again. Now I am not about to claim I am the best boyfriend, or the most emotionally intelligent. But I like to think for a guy who comes from a military family, and works in a workplace that uses dark humor to deal with EVERYTHING I am actually pretty decent at dealing with and acknowledging my emotions. That being said, expressing those feelings can always be hard, especially in moments such as these. Gf and I had just found our perfect apartment we were going to move in to and all I could really say (due to feeling so hurt, that gf had not felt she has been able to confide in me at all regarding her family I think) was that she needed to make a decision on whether she wanted to be with me and I couldn't make that for her. I was shut down, and angry she was even considering leaving.
Fast forward to 2am that next morning. My gf woke me up stating that she was leaving. She had been talking to her family all that previous day while we were both at work and they must have convinced her she should go back home. I slammed a few doors, got extremely upset but knew I couldn't stay and talk. I got dressed and left, I went for about an hour walk. I returned to her packing her bags.
As she was packing her bags, I began uncontrollably crying. I couldn't help myself. I hadn't cried like this since I was a child. I was honestly surprised. I have seen so much tragedy, loss and suffering through my job and never she'd a tear. I grabbed my gf and we both cried in the kitchen together for about an hour, sitting on the floor. Then she got up, packed the rest of her things, and began the process of packing her car. She notified me her Mother had flown in to the city at 3pm and that she'd be back tomorrow to get the rest of her things.
She came back this morning, gave me a Bible with a 2 page written message about how bad she felt about leaving me, I pleaded for her to not leave yesterday and here she was... Handing me a Bible? This wasn't the girl I met last year. The only thing I can think of was that when challenged by her family she did not have the strength to stand up to them and reverted to the beliefs of how she was raised.
So here I am in an empty apartment, feeling lost and broken. I feel robbed. I cried in the shower for a bit, and now I'm just sitting here... FYI to anyone reading this far: I have a great support system. My family live in town, and I have a good amount of close friends that have been incredibly supportive so far. I am not feeling suicidal, and I am safe. I have food, and enough money to keep myself afloat until the lease is up here. I will survive.
I am not rereading this to check and see if it even makes sense, because honestly I don't even have the energy for that so I apologize if this is just a rambling mess. Thank you to anyone who reads this and is able to offer me some insight... I can't say I have found a way to rationalize anything that's happened in the last 3 days...
TLDR: gf left me and our life together to return to her religion, out of nowhere.
EDIT: Thank you so much to everyone for the words of encouragement, I appreciate everyone who has offered their support. I am having a hard time keeping up with all the comments, and I also do not want to sit here on my phone all day so I am going to put my phone down and chill out for a bit and come back. If I don't respond to your comment at all, please don't think your help has gone unnoticed. I appreciate everyone and their insight. Thank you all again.

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Author Backslash2017
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It was never your fault, friend.
Everyone has their own set of rules that they grow up with, and religion is one of those rules that gets some people from the cradle to the grave, as the saying goes. How hard or soft those rules are enforced on a person depends on the parents, their siblings, and their peers, as well as their religion.
My sister was forced to join her fiancee's religion, attend six months of religious camp and Bible study and marriage counseling, and THEN on top of that, she was informed that she absolutely had to get married in the family church, no exceptions -- and the church was under renovations at the time and wasn't available at the end of those six months.
The result of this was that she had to postpone her wedding for a year, and because she couldn't get her venu deposit back, the wedding was three and a half hours driving away from the reception. It was either that or call off the wedding because her husband-to-be's family would not bend.
She wanted to get married on the beach, and she had that taken from her, but she got to keep her husband....
I'm sorry that that happened to you, and that you lost your love over it. Maybe she'll change her mind, but for the moment, you need to take care of you.
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Is this religion Jehovah’s witnesses? If so, and she is a believer of it, she’s doing you a favor and you’re much better off not getting involved.
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Author timelord-degallifrey
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Jehovah’s Witness? That was my religion for almost 40 years. Happens all the time in that religion.
I’m sorry you’re going through this. Two things I have learned is that indoctrination is hard to beat and that someone leaves when they decide to.
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Author Buddhafisticuff
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I feel like I'd need to know what her preferred religious indoctrination is to give good advice..
Islam vs Mormonism vs Jehovah Witnesses would all necessitate different advice.
Whats her religion?
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Author send_me_your_calm
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Religions that threaten excommunication are, inherently, abusive. Regardless of what they may call it (disfellowshipping, etc), it exists purely as a weapon, a means to blackmail members into remaining subject to the family/church leader's wishes/agenda. This is, unquestionably, abuse. I'm very sorry it pulled you into its path of harm.
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Author c00lifornication
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I went through something somewhat similar earlier in the pandemic. My most recent ex-boyfriend and I broke up because he decided to return to being a Jehovah’s witness. He had been raised in that faith and left when he was about 16. At 28, he had been struggling emotionally a bit given COVID and had been talking to his dad a lot more who was still involved.
Leading up to the breakup, he had distanced himself a little bit for about a week. He came over and said he wanted to talk to me about something and told me he was rejoining the church. I was completely fine with his choice until he kept trying to get me to look into it with him. Religion just isn’t my thing and I told him that I supported what he needed to do, but I couldn’t do it with him.
In the end, we largely broke up because he said he would be fully immersing himself in the church and it’s values. I don’t agree with a lot of those values and have no intention of living my life by them. It was an amicable split and I’m incredibly proud of myself for knowing who I am enough to stick to my guns and follow my own values.
I know your relationship was in a much more serious place than mine, but it still really hurts and it’s one of those things you can’t really comprehend. I wish you the best of luck and am available to talk if you need!
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Author FloGrownSports
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Out of curiosity this sounds a lot Jws. Was her family Jehovas Witnesses?
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Author DreamDreamRevolution
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Jws? Ex jw here. Brainwashing is rough to get over but I feel for you as well.
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2020.10.26 04:39 jw_mentions /r/MGTOW2 - "why do christcucks keep appearing in mgtow/male-spaces/pua and try to convert us to their church?"

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Submission why do christcucks keep appearing in mgtow/male-spaces/pua and try to convert us to their church?
Comments why do christcucks keep appearing in mgtow/male-spaces/pua and try to convert us to their church?
Author papaarkansas
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Posted On Sun Oct 25 19:10:38 UTC 2020
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like for real? the true teachings of christianity are against pre-marital sex and dating which pua's aim to do. (many christcucks seem to be evangelical/born-again which is against pre-marital sex etc).
Hey I don't care if you believe in Jesus it just seems very odd and contradictory. Like shouldn't pua's/magow be the very LAST people you would want in your church? Heck if I was a pastor I would not want pua's in my church. (since pua's drink, have sex, or in the case of mgtow have no families) which is against evangelical teachings).
Its bizarre! It's like a a Muslim missionary going to a Sports Bar to try to convert people lol. 😂 (Muslims are not allowed to drink alchohol).
My THEORY is that LETS BE REAL a GOOD amount of manosphere folk have lower social status and are down on our luck. (hey I am one too lol nothing to be ashamed of). In the Bible Jesus saught the folk down on their luck to join his church. ie. "fishers of men" HENCE many evangelical/born again ACTIVELY look for those specific type of guys to join their church.
-is that theory true?
-NOT bashing christians it's your life just why not look for converts elsewhere rather than on websites SPECIFICALLY designed to help men have pre-marital sex/go clubbing etc?

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Well, for us, all sin is equal. It's sounds harsh, but a lie is just as bad as murder in the eyes of God. I could expand on the reasoning for this, but it's not the point.
Everyone has done something that is against God's will. It is inevitable. The point is trying to work past that. When you trip and fall, you get back up.
You are right, it is super odd to be evangelizing in the pickup artist community, as most of them are there to pick up chicks, which is against God's will. Evangelizing in that community is not really a great way to go about doing things because people will wonder why you are there.
It's always worth spreading the gospel, but going out of your way to invade someone's space just to do that is the wrong way to go about things. Christians are meant to spread it wherever they go. Going out of their way can end poorly.
I would compare it to the LGBTQ+ stuff in media right now. I can live with it, I dont agree with their philosiphies, but that is between them and God, not them and me. Seeing it crammed down my throat in movies and tv is annoying, but not because I hate them. It's because I'm watching this to be entertained, and am instead getting preached at.
You go to these communities for something, and instead you get preached at by people who don't belong there. It is annoying, and I absolutely get the way you feel.
No person is ever going to be perfect, and I have found that in any church, a little less than half the members have a flawed idea of how to properly serve the Lord and evangelize. They are only human, after all. The people you are dealing with are not the brightest bulbs, and are functioning on a Jehovahs Witnesses mentality. It's not great, and it will more often than not turn people away from the Lord.
TL;DR I ultimately agree with you, these people should not be invading your space, and if they are there for the same reason you are, there is something fundementally wrong with their take on this religion.
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I guess I actually do read bible stories for fun they have a lot of interesting history. i am not an athiest I do believe in a supreme being. however wouldn't it be more fruitful looking for christian converts in Africa/latin america/charity. (those regions are the fastest growing among evangelicals).
i just notice a large pattern of evangelical types (this does NOT apply to you) acting like the "jehova's witnesses" of the manosphere (ie bringing up specifically evangelical/born-again christianity into men's issues without it being asked)
-hey you do you. I honeslty believe relgion can be a GOOD thing in some people's lives. I just find it a bit odd that evanglicalism/born-again in particular seems so fascinated with PUA/mgtow/incel content rather than folks in their local communities that are actually interested in converting into the faith.
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2020.10.22 14:19 jw_mentions /r/unpopularopinion - "LGBTQ+ Mega Thread"

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Author UnpopularOpinionMods
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Please post all topics about LGBTQ+ here

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Author Someonedm
Posted On Wed Oct 21 16:41:20 UTC 2020
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But you wouldn't date a jehova's witness it isn't a prefrence, it is ideological. Which is fine. But trying to frame not wanting to date trans people as a prefrence deal breaker, you are usually just hiding some bigotry.
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Author JTudent
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Dealbreakers are also fine.
For example, I wouldn't a Jehovah's Witness ever period point blank.
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Author SouthernYoghurt9
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Then you clearly have some sort of stigma or bias against Jehovah's Witnesses
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2020.10.22 04:44 jw_mentions /r/AskReddit - "Jehovah's witnesses, how's it going knowing that everyone is at home but you can't visit them?"

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Submission Jehovah's witnesses, how's it going knowing that everyone is at home but you can't visit them?
Comments Jehovah's witnesses, how's it going knowing that everyone is at home but you can't visit them?
Author SWEIAP
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Posted On Wed Oct 21 23:39:28 UTC 2020
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Author bonobomaster
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Ahm, we are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses not about the Amish
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Author eightiesladies
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This is the best approach. There are many activeJW's who are closeted "Apostates." They do not believe it is the true religion, and they dont want ro be involved, but they are held hostage under threat of being shunned by loved ones if they share their true opinions. Apostasy or spreading divisions are disfellowshipping offenses. Disfellowshipped witnesses are shunned by all other members, even immediate family. Voluntarily disassociating yields the same treatment. They are called PIMO (physically in, mentally out). Be nice and dont argue with them. It could very well be a pimo who already agrees with you but cant say it, and hates being at your door even more than you do.
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Author missionman77
Posted On Thu Oct 22 00:57:02 UTC 2020
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Ironically I got a hand written letter in the mail from a Jehovahs Witness yesterday that said they wish the could come by and if I was open to discussing my faith to call them.
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Author Gobistro00
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I think the preferred term is jdubs 😅
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Author Bisexualdw
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:25:03 UTC 2020
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Used to be a JW and this made me cackle. But they usually find a way. All the brochures left on your door.
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Author SmedusaZ
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:16:18 UTC 2020
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Nah, I don’t mind it at all. I miss going door to door with my friends and having productive conversations with people.
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Author thetexangypsy
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:17:37 UTC 2020
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I've become theJW's pet project in my neighborhood.
They still come by.
I think I'm on my 3rd set of missionaries now.
I'll give it to them, they're persistent.
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Author shadesgonewild
Posted On Thu Oct 22 00:48:05 UTC 2020
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Not a JW, I got a letter in the mail from a local JW I’ve never been to, seen, or even knew existed until I looked up the letter’s address. I’d say they are just fine using the local Yellow Pages
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Author LiteBriteJorge
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:12:29 UTC 2020
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My family has received a JW letter. Honestly it was very thoughtful and even if the ideology isn't shared, the message was well received.
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Author martianvirus
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:31:15 UTC 2020
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I actually got a text from a JW back when the lockdowns started. No idea how they got my number...
edit no I remembered wrong, it was actually a voicemail
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Author jxwtf585
Posted On Thu Oct 22 00:38:45 UTC 2020
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I'm a cable guy and had a service call at a JW home. Legit this is what they do. The gentleman was dressed from waist up for church and from waist down for cheeto eating TV time.
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Author Clokkers
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:24:14 UTC 2020
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My grandparents areJWs in England, they dress up all fancy and zoom call all their friends for mini meetings. I actually think it’s quite nice that they’ve learnt how to use zoom all together considering the average age there is 70
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Author CuratorOfYourDreams
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:25:41 UTC 2020
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Cue exjw
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Author ClothDiaperAddicts
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:17:42 UTC 2020
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Legit. Once a month, we get a letter from the localJWs.
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Author artinthebeats
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Can you smoke weed as a JW?
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Author posifour11
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:37:13 UTC 2020
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Not a JW, but they've been more than cordial.
I went to my great aunt's funeral and it wasn't pushed on us. The funeral was graveside and there was a great prayer.
They said there would be a different one for the JW folks.
To answer the question- they send letters.
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Author Cinno1826
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:23:06 UTC 2020
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I have a co-worker that's a jehovas Witness and she wrote a bunch of letters personalized to most of the other workers here. It was basically the same stuff they would say at your door, but it was kind of nice because she added personal touches since she actually knows us.
I'd kind of hate having someone come to my door and preach to me while I stood there awkwardly, but a personalized letter I could read alone on my own time wasn't so bad.
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Author DorothyZbornakAttack
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:35:36 UTC 2020
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I work at a funeral home, we regularly get letters from Jehovah’s Witnesses with pamphlets about death. We got more during Covid. The really gross thing they do is they’ll browse the obituaries on our website & then write letters to the families of people who have died and try to convert them. I think it’s really unethical to try to convert someone to your religion when they’re at a low point in their life. They’re purposely targeting people who are vulnerable.
Edited for clarity: they’ll mail the letters to families to us. We mail cards etc. that people send to families if they missed a visitation, but we’re not passing on religious literature.
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Author yoginiph
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Don’t think so. My mum is a JW as well. Doing that will appear as a form of disrespect to Jehovah. They still conduct their church services via zoom. They still do bible study through online calls.
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Author AshamedMixture1
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:07:24 UTC 2020
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is Reddit allowed forJWs?
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Author Astramancer_
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Because that doesn't fulfill the purpose of witnessing.
The point isn't to convert people -- that's just a bonus if it happens.
The point is to reinforce the idea that the world is a hostile place and the only place of safety and acceptance is the church. They spend hours getting doors slammed in their face and being told to fuck off, and after all that negativity they come back to their JW congregation and commiserate at how awful nonJW's are.
Dropping off leaflets doesn't increase the Otherness of non-JW's and increase the reliance on the group the same way.
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Author withlovesparrow
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:17:04 UTC 2020
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I think I'm just now realizing why the nice JW lady doesn't come to my house anymore. I had a minute so I humored her for a chat. She asked me if I knew why they were calledJWs and I gave the right answer. Dated a barely believing JW in high school, I know some shit.
I have a Buddha by my front door and she asked about it. I told her I liked the morals and beliefs if Buddhism and other religions but never felt particularly religious. Just being a good person because its the right thing and not because a god tells you to is more my jam. It was over all really nice and polite and I enjoyed talking to her.
But she never came back. None of them have. I dont even get a leaflet. All because I was nice.
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Author Sammygirl2780
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:24:19 UTC 2020
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Jdubs? I have never heard this term before. My bad 😀
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Author nezbe5
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My mother once spent a summer reading the entire Bible for the first time. Because no way thoseJWs were going to know more than her on their next visit. She is a bit stubborn.
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Author youngseahag
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:10:57 UTC 2020
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I literally got a letter today in the mail from a JW. it was handwritten and an entire page long
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Author ValhallaFalling
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:23:38 UTC 2020
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I use to have an old man in his 80s come around every week and talk to me about Jehovah's Witness here in Australia. He had a carer come along and everything.
I'm in no way religious and wasn't interested in join but I enjoyed talking to him about it. He had some pretty modern/futuristic views on it as well.
We were doing that once a week for a couple of months, then he just stopped coming one week. I really hope I was able to bring him some enjoyment and connection in them months. I sure got a lot out of it.
I think more people need to hear them out, most just want some human connection and to share what they love.
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Author herculeesjr
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:20:10 UTC 2020
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I have a JW friend, and he gets high on special occasions. Not too often but I'd say the opinion could vary from person to person. I'm like... a JW in training so I don't count. Lol
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Author toad__warrior
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:30:12 UTC 2020
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Not a JW, but I have gotten calls from them. I do not think the call was targeted, but they left a nice VM about reaching out during these troubling times.
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Author Seyda0
Posted On Thu Oct 22 02:03:05 UTC 2020
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Man that's crazy, good for them. What if tho, like maybe the Australian government for example created, I dunno a legal entity called the Australian Royal Comission to check into rampage unreported child sexual abuse by the JW church? And then that ARC found over 1000 cases of child sex abuse without a single reported case to the authorities? Sure would be amazing ifJWs made some changes to their rules. Maybe one day...
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Author Routine_Left
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:31:00 UTC 2020
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JW allow alcohol consumption in moderation.
Oh, I can see how it works.
See, one beer per man is moderation, ok? But if I drink one beer I become a new man. This man deserves a beer too, don't you think? But if this man drinks a beer he becomes a new man. Then that man deserves a beer, after all it's in moderation, just one beer.
All the way until the man left is no longer a JW.
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Author hawkwolfe
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:21:43 UTC 2020
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TheJWs sent me a letter, but the Baptists just came by my door without masks. Waiting for the other denominations to make their moves, but the ranking is clear so far.
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Author capn_gingerbeard
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:19:47 UTC 2020
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Haha totally did this today for a meeting (not a JW just working from home)
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Author sumthinsticky
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:30:29 UTC 2020
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I recently sold my house and I got a text from the buyer saying I received a piece of mail. It wasn’t incredibly inconvenient, but I drove out of my way to go get it. It was a legit handwritten letter from a Jehovah’s Witness apologizing for not visiting in person. 🤦‍♂️
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Author TomPalmer1979
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:28:22 UTC 2020
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I always passed Jehovah's Witnesses off as an annoying group of religious nutjobs. Like Mormons are too, but most Mormons are nice, like their whole pitch on their religion is like "Hey we're going to this cool party in the afterlife, wanna come?" JWs are rude and pushy and fearmongering.
But then I listened to some of their congregational meetings/sermons. I used to work for a captioned telephone company, and they did this call-in thing for church members who were sick or too elderly to make it to the Kingdom Hall. They'd call in with one of our special phones, and we'd have to caption the whole thing.
They are an evil fucking cult. They are scary. Their meetings are nothing short of brainwashing, teaching their members how to guilt and exploit people into being brainwashed too. They're a dangerous cult, and if you ever see the opportunity to rescue a member from their clutches, do so.
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Author merlin401
Posted On Thu Oct 22 01:06:31 UTC 2020
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For all their faults I think it’s fair to giveJWs props. As soon as shit hit the fan in March they cancelled all their conventions, suspended in person church service indefinitely (corrently at least through February) and stopped all in person witnessing work indefinitely. Pandemic-wise, they did their part
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2020.10.11 22:55 jw_mentions /r/rpghorrorstories - "Religion breaks up DnD group in 2020"

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Me and my two older siblings started a group playing 5e with some of their friends from their congregation. Now, they are really hardline christians (my siblings were in the religion name only tho, didn't share the views). We agreed to keep demonic stuff out, and "unexplained magic", whatever that was supposed to mean.
It was a pretty large group, though only 2-4 people could make it to a session at a time usually, we made it the central plot thread that ppl kept appearing and disappearing and that we were investigating why. I was in all of the sessions since I had the free time for it.
It seemed to go ok, my brother DMing, there wasn't much rp but I could deal with that since they were new players. In one of the sessions tho, our rogue was suspected of a kidnapping, and it was offered that he would have the spell geas placed on him to prove his innocence. The rogue's player stopped playing after that, stating that he didn't feel comfortable with the "unexplained magic".
Whatever, we moved on. After that things felt really tense during sessions, myself playing a sorcerer I didn't know how comfortable these people were with it. A few sessions come and go, though they keep on getting rarer. Finally, my brother (the DM) decides to leave the religion, and the whole group falls apart. Our group chat fills with "this person left the chat" notifications, leaving only me and my two siblings.
We still continue the game, with only two players, a wizard and my sorcerer (the two arcane casters wouldn't you know it, and a great party comp :P). We enjoy the game a lot more, not having to dance around other people's unclear feeling on magic, and we not-so-subtly explained in game that the other party members got swept up in an anti-magic cult. Also thx for reading, have a great day.

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Author lactoacidbacteria
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to clarify, the religious ppl involved are Jehovah's Witnesses. I think that may help in the discussion in the comments.
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Author squidbitsz
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Ironic since Gygax was a Jehovah's Witness himself
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Author strike8892
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Little bit off topic, but my friend bought a video rental store (best investment ever in 2017.) That was formerly owned by jehovah's witnesses. They would not have any movies that were hyper violent, or had magic, or had anything occultish. And the kicker? The store made a profit. It was able to pay the rent and utilities of the building, and also have money to pay two employees and the owner. Shit was wild. He took over and introduced the clientele to a brand new selection of movies. He made even more of a profit then the previous owners and then proceeded to make every business mistake in the book afterwards. turning it into makeshift pawn shop and shutting it down in like 3 months time.
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Author Spadie
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Fair warning, some of the quotes from this idiot I describe are pretty bad.

Kinda had something like this. Had a friend for a long time, a friend who was openly bisexual and e-dating this guy online for a long time. Something happened, they broke up, it was in the past.
We started playing D&D, Me (DM), him (Paladin), one of his friends (Cleric, IRL Jehovas Witness?), another mutual friend (Ranger?) and his friend (Sorcerer, who years later is now my girlfriend ayyy)
He had a Kobold Paladin and started quoting bible verses after he'd kill monsters in the game. We all, besides his Cleric friend, found it pretty weird.
Eventually in our shared discord he went on a rant about SENSITIVE TOPICS! Sexism, racism, homophobia how women shouldn't be able to vote, that the bible says they live only to serve men, that they shouldn't work either because they're not capable of doing so properly, that gay people "just want to cum" and are all pedophiles and all want to get HIV, all white college-age girls fuck dogs and that 'miscegenation' is 'disgusting'
He then proceeded to ban any 'bible bashing' (read: questioning him or the bible) from the discord after I had told him he's an absolute dumbass and argued with him for hours. While he was going on about all this stuff too, how women are too weak to work, our resident female player (now my girlfriend! Hi if you're reading this!) who was battling cancer at the time was working her ass off every day at her job while this guy didn't work.
So, that group ended and we blocked and deleted him. He turned his Steam bio to a 40-50 line long collection of his 'wisdom' with such gems as; "Every day is Heterosexual Pride Day when you live without HIV, rectal prolapse and crippling methamphetamine addiction", "Atheists defend homosexuality. They don't even know how evolution works" and "Why is it when an atheist feels threatened by someone their goto response is a boiler plate entry level attack on christianity?"
What I think happened was he had a crush on the Jehovas Witness guy and started turning to religion to impress him and went way too far with it. Before that he was a happy, nice (if sarcastic) guy who was comfortable in his sexuality. All the stuff he said about gay people, I asked if he felt that way, and he said "No, because I wasn't gay or bi, I was just confused."
So yeah, that's my 'Religion and Bigotry ruins D&D and a long-time friendship' story
Edit: ...Maybe I should have made this its own post. Oh well, it was relevant. I still have screenshots of his absolutely disgusting steam profile from before he wiped it, so the few quotes I gave later on are word for word, letter for letter quotes. Just a select few.
Edit 2: Also I wanna make clear, I know most of what he said is not indicative of religion and most religious beliefs, it's what happens when religious fanaticism meets racism, sexism, self-hating homophobia and stupidity.
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Author Hagisman
Posted On Sun Oct 11 19:12:42 UTC 2020
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If you or your brother are interested there was a memoir not to long by a woman why she stopped being a Jehovah’s Witness.
https://www.amazon.com/Leaving-Witness-Exiting-Religion-Finding/dp/0735222541
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Author The_Hyphenator85
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Yeah, that makes sense. JWs are pretty freaking extreme. Out of all the mainstream sects of Christianity, they’re probably the closest to being a full-on cult.
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Author Mr_Conductor_USA
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Among Christians, JWs are probably the most famous for shunning apostates in contemporary times. They're not the only ones to who do it but with JWs it's pretty systemic. Baptists are fairly decentralized, so it's more a dynamic of the congregation and small town interpersonal politics.
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Author UltimaBahamut93
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I actually got into DnD from my church's bible study group. The day I met everyone they're like, "hey after church we go get lunch and then go to X's house to play dnd, want to come?"
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2020.10.02 09:19 xero121690 Saggitarius male and Scorpio woman, dilemma involving possible relationship after i (male) made a mistake

So I (sagittarius male) and a scorpio woman started talking. It was very intense for the first 4 months. I finally decided to ask her out and she agreed. She had asked me if what we had going on was a date and at that moment I told her, "okay this is a date then". And she smiled and we continued our date. She was interrogating me for the first few dates we had. On the second date we ended up doing it together. It was amazing! Anyway, on our 3rd date I messed up because i didn't wear a condom. And what happened was I ended up cumming inside of her. I could tell through her eyes that she was afraid. And she looked at me with fear in her eyes and she asked me if i was joking and I told her no. So I told her about plan b and if she wanted to take it. And she agreed. Fast forward a few days, I could tell she started becoming distant with me. Although, we went out, she started treating me more like a friend. Mind you we were still doing it during these times. But as I started to msg her more and more I felt like she started treating me more and more like a friend, by that I mean she became less emotional with me and that stare she would give me wasn't there anymore and I felt like her attitude toward me kind of changed. I really started to catch feelings and so I asked her to be my gf. She said she would tell me the next day but she didn't. Point is, we met up again and she told me she basically didn't know. Since she's a jehovas witness, she asked me if i was okay with her being that, a jehovas witness. And i told her i was. Point is, she said that if she weren't a jehovas witness she would have said yes. She also asked me this question, "if I said no, would we still be friends?". I told her honestly, I don't know. So at the end of the conversation she just told me that she didn't know and couldn't give me an answer but that she also thinks that we would argue because of the differences in our religion, her jehovas witness and me catholic. Point is she told me she didn't want to suffer like her mom because her dad was mean to her mom. I told her that it was okay if she didn't tell me right there and then and that I wouldn't want to pressure her into saying something she wasn't sure of yet. Fast forward a few days and I could still feel a spark but as we started going out more and more I felt like she became less and less intense with me. To the point where sometimes I would feel like she is treating me like a friend. So I finally confronted her and asked her, that I felt like she changed ever since the incident and that the girl i admired wasn't the same. She said that she got scared and that she realized and started to thibk that maybe she should take it easy and that she didn't want to think about sex. She also mentioned that "you still have a chance". I'm just confused because a few days back when we went out she mentioned me as a friend and idk how I feel about that. I really like her and I wouldn't want to be placed in the friend zone. I know I made the mistake but I was willing to own it, I apologized for it. Idk, I guess I'm still confused as to what she really wants with me and whether her treating me differently is a bad thing. Or do I still have a chance because I really do feel like ahe doesn't look at me with that intense stare anymore and I don't feel her emotions as much. Or maybe it's a scorpio thing to hide them. Idk, i hope you guys can help me because I feel like being in limbo is really messing with me.
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2020.09.20 11:52 DarkLights666 Dad is suicidal, using meth and pills, I'm worried he's going to kill himself - and lying to me? 23 yo male recovered addict here.

TRIGGER WARNINGS - CHILD ABUSE, RAPE, DRUGS, TRAUMA, MENTAL HEALTH, SUICIDE, MANIPULATION, FAMILY PROBLEMS, CUSTODY ISSUES, ETC
I'm sorry this is so long but I am desperate for help. Like the title says the man is on a rapid downward spiral. I'm known to make excuses for him, but he really is a good guy. I mean he's a single dad that raised 3 kids. Worked his ass off every day of his life for the kids. Anyways, I've never released this info to anyone before but I am truly at a loss. FYI I am clean as of 2018 (I'm not as of tonight because of dad.) I struggle with PTSD and trauma of all kinds, manic depression, panic disorder, borderline personality disorder, and god knows what else. Background: my dad is my hero. I'm 23, he is 42. My grandma (his mom) is his hero - I'll explain that relevance later. I grew up without a mom or any other family except my grandma and him. So, they're all I have. My dad is an ex addict and ex criminal (stealing cars, selling/doing drugs, running from cops when he was my age) He quit smoking crack and doing coke when I was 2 and hadn't touched drugs to my knowledge since (he punished me SEVERELY for things like weed/acid when I was a kid.) He cleaned up raising me, he did the best he could as a young dad. I ended up being abused every which way my childhood by everyone else, mostly by my mother, but he didn't abuse me sexually..emotionally/psychologically? Absolutely. I chalk it up to him being a young single dad raising me in the hood. I am also an ex addict, sober as of 2018 from heroin, meth, and benzos,and others. I went thru the rehab system several times. I turned out highly intelligent, sensitive, emotional, and in relevance to this story - a people pleaser, very submissive and fragile and sensitive. Backstory of the kids: So, my dad's gf's brother produced 2 beautiful girls born addicted to heroin. They are 6 and 7 now. The biological dad and mom are in and out of jail, out of their lives. Him and his gf (their aunt btw) took them as their own upon hospital release. Not knowing who was daddy or mommy has already messed them up - they are 6 and 7. So. His gf left him about 3 months ago and took the kids with her. They are staying with her and her family - whom are emotionally unavailable to them and just yell, argue, and probably do drugs to some degree. I don't want them there. After she left and took the kids, this is a short list of my dad's behavior. He deleted his facebook, cut off every single friend and family member he ever had. I had to pry into him, as my only parent which I need, but also out of desperate concern. He just dropped off the face of the earth. He told me he hasn't showered in almost a week, hasn't eaten in days, has been severely neglecting his job at the hospital (which he doesn't like.) He's just sitting in the house alone watching TV on the couch. No motivation, can't do anything, makes suicide jokes like I do, literally hasn't left the house in weeks other than to get cigarettes, has serious red flags as far as mental health. I have NEVER seen him like this, ever. He's on medication but it does nothing for his depression, OCD anxiety etc. Everyone is concerned to some degree...but I'm the only one he let in. We are wildly similar - some people call me his clone. I went over today and he opened up emotionally to me for once. He has always been emotionally distant and unavailable. He admitted "he's fucked" and "his life is over" "I have dreams of dying," I wish I would." But here's the thing - our heartfelt conversation was over many lines of meth. A few times ago I went there I relapsed on meth with him for the first time since 2018. It happens frequently now, every time I go over there. He is taking opiates like percocet daily, taking Adderall a lot for motivation, obviously the meth - which he allegedly "hates the shit" and only has it cuz it friend gives it to him. He even smoked weed yesterday which he never does. He talks it off as he's not addicted, only does it here and there, not a problem, just self medicating - classic rationalization of addictions. I've always believed him as he's strongly against lying, and he knows how much I look up to him. I think he knows this. The thing that first made me question all this - is he still gets the kids on the weekends. I know the drugs are in the house. I believe he doesn't do it around them, but he mentioned having coke last weekend, which they were there. He's always on the opioids for his back pain but he has hundreds of empty bottles. I know he gets high on it. My roommates are saying he is manipulating me (and everyone else) to shut me down and shut me out. They are begging me to call 911, perform wellness checks, have him admitted, etc. I feel like he is affecting my sobriety by whipping out the meth in front of me, casually, and normalizing drugs between us. His actions and words are ABSOLUTELY affecting my mental health. Every time he doesn't text back (which is almost every time) I freak out and start crying and rush over thinking I'm going to find his dead body. He has tons of drugs and guns so it wouldn't be hard. I had a date last night and cried and sobbed the entire time I was with her because I can't get rid of these thoughts, these dreams. I'm mortified, terrified, and scared to death. I have dreams about it and cry every day. I let him know these feelings, and I get "I'm fine" "I can't do that to you and the kids and Grammy" "idk if I'll die tomorrow, I might, I can't promise anything" stuff like that. This is the first time in my life I'm not exactly believing him. So my roommates, whom are terrified for me, are saying he is manipulating me, lying to me, shutting me down, and undermining everything. They said he's talking me in circles, enabling me, rationalizing drugs, speaking to me as if I'm inferior. I don't see it, he's my hero, but they are intelligent and trusted and experienced in this. He has always based his personality on being honest, NEVER lying. But for once, I'm not sure. He said if I were to call the cops, hed lie and say he's fine, get off my property, etc. He does not tell his doctor the truth because mentioning suicide gets a trip to inpatient. I'm at a loss and my roommates are ready to call the cops for me. I feel trapped - I'm my dad's therapist, I call text and show up at his house every day now. I go over there randomly. Do I do something or say something, and have him absolutely seething at me? Or do I continue being his personal therapist and doing checkups, and being there for him? He says I do more than anything else would but I'm 23 and I don't fully have my shit together. I feel trapped. Either way I lose. This affecting my life, is an understatement. My grandma, his mom, keep in mind, knows he hasn't been doing well but is an innocent jehovas witness and knows nothing of the criminal life or drug life. But she has a way to get to him and make him do things - he listens to her. My roommates have suggested telling Grammy and maybe his dad who is ex police, tho retired alcoholic. Grammy WILL confront him and go after him. I just... Can't. Being the good soul I am I just listen and be there and show him love the best I can. We have become very close thru trauma, addiction/drugs, and tragedy. Healthy? Idk. So - what on earth do I do? He said he won't listen or comply with police or mental health professionals, and apparently not me either. He got horribly angry when I mentioned getting help over the phone - the kind that makes the little boy that wants to please his dad inside me, just shut up and do what I'm told. The fact that the kids are most likely near drugs wherever they go makes me very angry. That is js not acceptable. He's on a downward spiral, he offers me drugs, I don't even know what's going on, it's happening so fast and my head is spinning. Any advice or comments about our relationship and what to do are greatly appreciated. I plan on telling his parents, tomorrow (er today) in person. I'm sorry for being all over the place, I did the best I can with this. Admittedly, I am still high on the meth we snorted together but VERY scared for my dad. I can't lose him but I can't lose myself. Thank you for reading.
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2020.09.19 18:21 aoanla Hades and "real world history" - Weapon Aspects and timelines.

So, the final hidden Aspect that was unlocked for v1.0 has me thinking about how Hades fits into real-world chronology. [This isn't a serious nitpicking, so no-one should think I'm pick on SuperGiant Games, this is just a bit of out-loud thinking.]
When is Hades set? We know that Achilles is dead and in Tartarus - and has been for long enough that he feels like he's gone native and become a changed man. (Certainly his temper seems to have improved from when he was alive.) Achilles died after the Trojan War, which happened sometime around 1200 BC or so. [The Ancient Greeks thought of it as being around 1300 to 1100BC, and the best evidence we have now puts it at around 1194BC]. So, the events of Hades must be happening after 1200 BC.
The hidden Weapon Aspects are supposed to indicate the future holders of each Infernal Arm, so they should place an "upper limit" on when Hades can occur.
Stygius's hidden aspect is Arthur, King of the Britons. Of uncertain historicity, and various attested origins, Arthur is hard to place in time. Most of the early mythology about him is written several hundred years after the time they say he ruled - the earliest account is ~9th Century, and places him in the 6th. Certainly, no attested mythology places him before 400AD.
Varatha's hidden aspect is Guan Yu, a great general and governor during the Three Kingdoms period of Chinese History, made most famous by the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. He was definitely a real historical figure, and existed around the 3rd Century AD.
Aegis' hidden aspect is Beowulf, a semi-historical warrior and king of the Geats, known from the eponymous poem. Dating him is easy, as the poem gives itself a date and context - sometime in the 6th century AD by our own calendar.
So far so good - three hidden aspects with future holders nicely in the far future of the time period Hades is likely set in. Now for the problematic ones:
Coronacht's hidden aspect is Rama, a pseudohistorical incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu. As with Arthur, it is hard to determine if a historical basis for Rama existed - the earliest versions of the Rama legends date to ~500BCE, but they speak of Rama as an already historic figure. The most likely date that Rama lived is many hundreds of years before that point - probably before the 1100BC... which causes us the first of our dating problems, as Hades the game is almost certainly set (at the earliest) around this time ;) Still, if we assume time passes oddly in the Underworld, it might be that Achilles has been dead for less time than he thinks, as those on the Surface count it.
More directly contradictory is Malphon's hidden aspect, Gilgamesh, a legendary and pseudohistorical king of Uruk, one of the early Sumerian city-states. Gilgamesh probably really existed, and the extant versions of his myth date to around 2000BC... placing his likely life around 400 - 600 years earlier. So, Gilgamesh needs to wield Malphon around 1000 or more years before Zagreus ever gets ahold of them. Time is getting screwy here.
Weird and unplaceable is Exagryph's hidden aspect, Lucifer, in this sense apparently the Angel who led a failed rebellion against God in Christian tradition, and Fell. The name "Lucifer" as assigned to this particular being is an example of misreading of texts - in the original source text, Isaiah 14, the writer is very very obviously talking about a real human king being symbolically cast "down from heaven" as he is humbled before God and loses everything [in this context, "Lucifer", "light-bringer" is just the name of the morning star, Venus, which shines brightly but is outshone by the Sun]. However, later readers with poor Greek or Latin apparently interpreted this as a genuinely mythological discussion of a literal angel [the same thing happens with Thrones, Dominions, Principalities and a bunch of other weird misreadings of the original texts - something which later church reformers like Calvin all pointedly called out]. In any case, the myth of the angel rebelling against God and being thrown from Heaven is understandably hard to give an actual date for - some Christian sects would place this as happening around the time of the creation of Adam and Eve [and thus anywhere from tens of thousands of years before the present...]; others hold that the event happened in 1914 (Jehova's Witnesses hold that this was the cause of the start of WW1, as far as I can tell, although their version has been modified several times to the current version). So, Exagryph's "hidden" wielder is either most in the future of all of them, relative to the game's setting, or the most problematically early [predating almost every other event in the game by thousands of years].
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